{"id":53680,"date":"2023-06-17T23:41:16","date_gmt":"2023-06-17T23:41:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/egrowonline.com\/?p=53680"},"modified":"2023-06-17T23:41:16","modified_gmt":"2023-06-17T23:41:16","slug":"implications-for-xrp-sec-credibility-and-more","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/egrowonline.com\/?p=53680","title":{"rendered":"Implications for XRP, SEC credibility and more"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div data-v-0c8d7d80=\"\">\n<p>The Hinman documents were finally unsealed and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/hinman-docs-unsealed-sec-concerned-over-ether-not-security-statement\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/hinman-docs-unsealed-sec-concerned-over-ether-not-security-statement\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">made publicly available on June 12<\/a> after a lengthy <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/sec-ripple-court-denies-sealing-hinman-documents\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/sec-ripple-court-denies-sealing-hinman-documents\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">back and forth between Ripple<\/a> and the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), but what exactly do they reveal?<\/p>\n<p>The documents are extensive, and while they can be found in public resources like the Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) or CourtListener, lawyer James Filan tweeted on June 13, compiling them into two URLs.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/XRPCommunity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">#XRPCommunity<\/a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/SECGov?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">#SECGov<\/a> v. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Ripple?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">#Ripple<\/a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/XRP?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">#XRP<\/a> Here are the Hinman documents, by Exhibit number, in one place.  <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/6kUYZ1X2WK\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/t.co\/6kUYZ1X2WK<\/a><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/wZQmalfFkS\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/t.co\/wZQmalfFkS<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 James K. Filan  (@FilanLaw) <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/FilanLaw\/status\/1668633570796277760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">June 13, 2023<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Speaking to Cointelegraph soon after the unsealing, pro-XRP lawyer and founder of CryptoLaw John Deaton <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/hinman-documents-suggest-sec-is-the-wrong-agency-to-govern-digital-assets-crypto-lawyer-says\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/hinman-documents-suggest-sec-is-the-wrong-agency-to-govern-digital-assets-crypto-lawyer-says\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">shared his belief<\/a> that \u201cthe documents themselves don\u2019t impact the judge\u2019s underlying analysis of whether XRP (<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/xrp-price-index\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/xrp-price-index\" rel=\"noopener\">XRP<\/a>) was offered\/sold by Ripple as an investment contract, or XRP\u2019s status in the secondary markets in the United States.\u201c<\/p>\n<p>This is considered a key defense of Ripple during its legal battle with the SEC. But those keeping a close eye on the case will know that the documents were not expected to do so, despite the then SEC chair Jay Clayton <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/sentosumosaba\/status\/1485863080147886080\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">referencing<\/a> the speech as \u201cthe approach we take to evaluate whether a digital asset is a security,\u201d the 2018 <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sec.gov\/news\/speech\/speech-hinman-061418\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">speech<\/a> carried disclaimers that it was the personal views of the then director of corporation finance William Hinman, which \u201cdoes not necessarily reflect those of the Commission.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>With the Hinman documents being such a hot topic, many other crypto lawyers have also wondered what the documents might mean for XRP and\u00a0Ether (<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/ethereum-price\" rel=\"noopener\">ETH<\/a>).<\/p>\n<h3>A \u201cnothingburger?\u201d<\/h3>\n<p>After the documents were unsealed, many onlookers, such as Gabriel Shapiro, general counsel for crypto firm Delphi Labs, took to Twitter calling them a \u201cnothingburger,\u201d which had no impact on the case between Ripple and the SEC.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Hinman emails are a nothingburger though great for ETH. No idea why Ripple thinks these emails help Ripple&#8217;s case&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 _gabrielShapir0 (@lex_node) <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/lex_node\/status\/1668585963893710849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">June 13, 2023<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pro-XRP lawyer and Hodl Law founder Fred Rispoli had a different take when appearing on the\u00a0<em>Thinking Crypto<\/em> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vSRc8GU3F80&amp;ab_channel=ThinkingCrypto\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">podcast<\/a>\u00a0on June 15.\u00a0He suggests they are \u201cexplosive\u201d because although \u201cwe all knew there\u2019s a revolving door\u201d between regulators and private firms \u2014 and \u201cbehind the scenes dealings\u201d \u2014 the public rarely gets a chance to see it as clearly as it\u2019s displayed in the emails.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, while the documents might not help Ripple regarding an XRP security determination, it does impact the SEC\u2019s credibility. It sheds further light on why Hinman gave\u00a0<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/ripple-alderoty-probe-sec-william-hinman-speech\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/ripple-alderoty-probe-sec-william-hinman-speech\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">the speech despite protests<\/a>\u00a0from other SEC divisions.<\/p>\n<p>The documents also highlight what appears to be an acknowledgment from Laura Jarsulic \u2014 an attorney with the SEC\u2019s Office of General Counsel \u2014 that tokens on a sufficiently decentralized network might exist in a \u201cregulatory gap\u201d where the tokens are \u201cnot a security because there\u2019s no \u2018controlling\u2019 group,\u201d but \u201cthere may be a need for regulation to protect purchasers\u201d as occurs with credit cards and medication. <\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.cointelegraph.com\/uploads\/2023-06\/fe4e0005-b6c0-42e7-93e8-35a72daf70c6.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" \/><figcaption style=\"text-align: center\"><em>Comments from Jarsulic. Source: Hinman documents<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This might be significant, as current SEC chair Gary Gensler <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/crypto-lawyers-flame-gensler-over-claims-that-all-crypto-are-securities\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/crypto-lawyers-flame-gensler-over-claims-that-all-crypto-are-securities\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">has repeatedly said<\/a> that he believes all cryptocurrencies except for Bitcoin (<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/bitcoin-price\" rel=\"noopener\">BTC<\/a>) are securities and that <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/gary-gensler-pushes-back-at-coinbase\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/gary-gensler-pushes-back-at-coinbase\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">rules for crypto already exist<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h3>A boost to Ripple\u2019s fair notice defense<\/h3>\n<p>Ripple\u2019s fair notice defense refers to the argument that the SEC had not provided it with sufficient notice before suing it for committing securities fraud in December 2020.<\/p>\n<p>However, the defense is generally not perceived to be strong, as longstanding court precedent \u2014 i.e., the Howey test that determines whether a transaction qualifies as an investment contract or security \u2014 is <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/sec-argues-recent-court-case-weakens-ripple-labs-fair-notice-defense\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/sec-argues-recent-court-case-weakens-ripple-labs-fair-notice-defense\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">regarded as fair notice<\/a>. <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The FAIR NOTICE DEFENSE is not what a lot of people think it is. I see a lot of comments about how <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Ripple?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">@Ripple<\/a>\u2019s FND is a slam dunk and Ripple and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/XRP?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">#XRP<\/a> will win. Make no mistake about it, Ripple hopes the judge never decides the FND. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/XRPHolders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">#XRPHolders<\/a> would prefer no decision on the FND.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 John E Deaton (@JohnEDeaton1) <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JohnEDeaton1\/status\/1543266266173120513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">July 2, 2022<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But in the interview with Cointelegraph, Deaton suggested that the documents support Ripple\u2019s argument that the speech sowed market confusion and hindered the ability of market participants to determine exactly what constitutes a security under the Howey test, saying:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThe documents do assist Ripple (and others) in arguing that the speech caused greater confusion in the markets, causing market participants to lack adequate notice of what was prohibited by existing law.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h3>The SEC\u2019s credibility<\/h3>\n<p>The Hinman documents show the conversations between various SEC members as they sought to get the speech ready for public release. <\/p>\n<p>As pointed out by Ripple\u2019s chief legal officer Stuart Alderoty in a Twitter thread on June 13, the emails also highlight that Hinman had received feedback from other divisions of the SEC, noting that some of the factors he used when determining that Ether was not a security had no legal basis.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">3\/A refresher: Hinman, as Head of the SEC\u2019s Corp Fin, gave a speech in June 2018 declaring that a token is not a security once it becomes \u201csufficiently decentralized\u201d and he invented factors to consider when making a \u201csufficiently decentralized\u201d determination.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Stuart Alderoty (@s_alderoty) <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/s_alderoty\/status\/1668601227704406016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">June 13, 2023<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Deaton\u2019s CryptoLaw hosted a panel on June 14, joined by fellow crypto lawyer Jeremy Hogan and former SEC securities lawyer Marc Fagel, who worked at the agency for 16 years.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The Hinman Docs: All-star Legal Panel <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/5I6xAI5H0B\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/t.co\/5I6xAI5H0B<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 CryptoLaw (@CryptoLawUS) <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/CryptoLawUS\/status\/1669056998791577601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" rel=\"noopener\">June 14, 2023<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>During the panel, Fagel agreed that the email contained no real bombshells relevant to the case, but did highlight some potential conflicts of interest. He said on multiple occasions that he did not want to ascribe motivations to Hinman but added:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cI do try to see both sides of it. So I don\u2019t like to leap to there\u2019s something unethical here, although we can all agree that there\u2019s some conflicted issues here and some really disappointing conduct here.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Before and after working with the SEC, Hinman worked at a law firm called Simpson Thacher &amp; Bartlett, which was a member of the advocacy organization Enterprise Ethereum Alliance that seeks to drive the use of Ethereum blockchain technology.<\/p>\n<p>According to the watchdog group Empower Oversight Whistleblowers and Research, the group that initially filed the freedom of information request that led to the Hinman documents, Hinman \u201ccontinued to receive millions of dollars from Simpson Thacher while working at the SEC.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The implication, as expanded upon by Hogan during the panel, is that Hinman was essentially being paid off to give Ether a free pass and say in his speech that Ether was not a security, which some people have previously referred to as \u201cETHGate.\u201c<\/p>\n<p><strong>Related:\u00a0<em><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/ripple-alderoty-probe-sec-william-hinman-speech\" data-amp=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph-com.cdn.ampproject.org\/c\/s\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/ripple-alderoty-probe-sec-william-hinman-speech\/amp\" rel=\"noopener\">Ripple\u2019s Alderoty calls for probe into Bill Hinman and his infamous speech<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Hogan had a similar take, suggesting that the emails did not contain much that Ripple could actively use in the case, but indicated that Hinman should be more concerned about the contents of the emails rather than the SEC, particularly when his earlier drafts of the speech referred to it as the \u201cEther speech.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>Ether\u2019s bolstered position<\/h3>\n<p>Deaton also said that he believes \u201cthe speech documents are good for Ethereum\u201d and \u201ccould also help ERC-20 tokens like Dragonchain,\u201d which are governed by the Ethereum blockchain:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIf the SEC claimed the network was sufficiently decentralized, then those tokens have even a better fair notice argument than Ripple.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This was something also referred to in the Office of General Counsel\u2019s comments, with the division sharing that it had \u201creservations about including a statement directly about Ether in the speech,\u201d as \u201cit would be difficult for the agency to take a different position on Ether in the future.\u201c<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>NFT Creator:<\/em><\/strong> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/magazine\/coldie-snoop-dogg-piece-vitalik-buterin-john-mcafee\/\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong><em>&#8216;Holy shit, I\u2019ve seen that!\u2019 \u2014 Coldie\u2019s Snoop Dogg, Vitalik and McAfee NFTs<\/em><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/cointelegraph.com\/news\/hinman-docs-xrp-sec\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Hinman documents were finally unsealed and made publicly available on June 12 after a lengthy back and forth between Ripple and the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), but what exactly do they reveal? 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