{"id":18314,"date":"2022-05-30T02:35:05","date_gmt":"2022-05-30T02:35:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/egrowonline.com\/?p=18314"},"modified":"2022-05-30T02:35:05","modified_gmt":"2022-05-30T02:35:05","slug":"dogecoins-jackson-palmer-on-elon-musk-crypto-bubble-pauline-hanson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/egrowonline.com\/?p=18314","title":{"rendered":"Dogecoin&#8217;s Jackson Palmer on Elon Musk, crypto bubble, Pauline Hanson"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><em>Australian software developer Jackson Palmer is a co-creator of Dogecoin. It\u2019s a meme-inspired cryptocurrency that launched as a joke in 2013 but has become one of the world\u2019s most valuable, after being promoted by the likes of Elon Musk and the traders at r\/wallstreetbets. Palmer left the crypto community in 2015 and denounced the technology. Palmer gave a rare interview to coincide with the launch of his <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/mobile.twitter.com\/griftonomics\" rel=\"noopener\">new podcast <\/a><\/em><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/mobile.twitter.com\/griftonomics\" rel=\"noopener\">Griftonomics<\/a><em>. <\/em><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" \/>\n<p><strong>CRIKEY: You haven\u2019t given many interviews and don\u2019t even tweet much \u2014 although when you do, <\/strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ummjackson\/status\/1415353985406406658\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>it often makes a splash<\/strong><\/a><strong>. This week, you launched a new podcast <em>Griftonomics<\/em>. Why now?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>JACKSON PALMER<strong>: <\/strong>I actually purchased the Griftonomics domain a year ago. I was going to do this before the [July 2021 tweet storm where he denounced cryptocurrency as an \u201cinherently right-wing, hyper-capitalistic technology]. I saw what was happening a year ago. It wasn\u2019t just crypto, it was like gambling on Twitch, rumblings of the metaverse. I realised it didn\u2019t really matter if you were producing any value anymore, the whole world has become this snake oil scheme.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So I bought <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/griftonomics.com\/\" rel=\"noopener\">griftonomics.com<\/a> and the first episode was going to be about crypto. I\u2019d written the introduction and that\u2019s what became that tweet thread. I was reflecting on it a lot, thinking \u201cdo I pull the trigger or not?\u201d. I had been off Twitter for a couple of years because I\u2019ve gotten burned out on crypto and was enjoying a quieter life. Instead of the podcast, I posted the Twitter thread and walked away.<\/p>\n<div class=\"acquisition_driver acquisition_driver_freetrial\">\n<div class=\"container_12 theme-highlight free_trial slimline texture-orange\">\n<div class=\"grid_12 tablet_grid_12\">\n<h2 class=\"call_to_action\">\nSign up for a <span class=\"crikey-red\">FREE 21-day trial<\/span> and get  <em>Crikey<\/em> straight to your inbox<\/h2>\n<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<p>All was well for a year. I honestly thought that things \u2014\u00a0and I think they\u2019re starting to now \u2014 would implode a bit more quickly and people would learn their lesson. But increasingly, in the past six months, I\u2019ve seen a continued perseverance. You see these big people with big money getting involved and that means it\u2019s not slowing down.<\/p>\n<p>So I bit the bullet. I think I\u2019m kind of ready in life to subject myself to nonsense. We\u2019ll see. It\u2019s perfect timing, the year is heating up, there\u2019s a lot of grifting going on, there\u2019s the Elon Musk Twitter takeover.<\/p>\n<p><strong>C: I want to get to the Elon Musk takeover, but first, can we talk about the cryptocurrency \u201cwinter\u201d (as venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz is calling it). Do you have any thoughts on it?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>JP: <strong>I<\/strong> wouldn\u2019t say that it\u2019s in a winter. I still see heaps of money being funnelled in by crypto promoters. They\u2019re waiting for a fresh batch of fools to come in. This happens in cycles. You wait for a while for the collective memory of the world to forget about how much of a scam it is. We\u2019ve had ICOs [initial coin offerings], DAOs [decentralised autonomous organisations], now it\u2019s NFT [non-fungible tokens]. Now I\u2019m seeing initial game offerings as the latest thing.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Sadly I wish it was the end of crypto, but it\u2019s not. More holistically, in this system of griftonomics, hypercapitalism, rentier capitalism, increasingly people are doing nothing but making money off doing nothing, it\u2019s kind of fucked us all up. It\u2019s given people this weird mental issue that where things that 5-10 years ago that people would have the common sense to say \u201cthat\u2019s weird\u201d, are OK. Now, even if it\u2019s fraudulent, they think \u201cdo I really care?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The bigger problem is because it\u2019s so easy to grift now through crypto. Look at Drake\u2019s Instagram now. It belongs to [cryptocurrency betting company] Stake. I think people think that if they make money, it\u2019s OK. Hustle, hustle, make money. The worst part, and no offence to journalists, is that there\u2019s a ton of journalists who\u2019ve gotten on that gravy train. Ethics? Don\u2019t need that anymore.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>C: One thing that I\u2019ve noticed is that there\u2019s a real incentive for journalists to cover cryptocurrency. Any story that involves cryptocurrency will get a heap of traffic.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<aside class=\"related-story\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.crikey.com.au\/2022\/05\/13\/crypto-crash-sign-of-inflationary-times\/\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.crikey.com.au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/bitcoin_bloodbath_740x400.jpg?w=475&amp;h=257&amp;crop=1\" \/><\/a><\/aside>\n<p>JP: The difference with cryptocurrency is that your news has to take a positive slant. If you\u2019re writing doom and gloom, you\u2019ll get fewer eyeballs. What I like to watch out for is organisations that have an ethics policy that prohibits writers from having crypto. The <em>New York Times<\/em> has a whole section about crypto, and I know for a fact that some of their writers own it as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>C: Can I ask about the response to your crypto-scepticism? How has the community itself reacted? On the first episode of <\/strong><strong><em>Griftonomics<\/em><\/strong><strong>, you spoke to Molly White about how the industry is so aggressive towards any criticism of the tech. And I saw that you\u2019re still getting interview requests from crypto boosters.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>JP: The good thing is that there are a lot more sceptics now. Between 2013-2020, I had kind of established a friend circle of crypto sceptics. One by one, they progressively drank the crypto Kool-Aid and started their own coins, took a job with a crypto company. Journalists began working for crypto-owned media, and that\u2019s what pushed me over the edge.<\/p>\n<p>There was a drought of scepticism over the past few years. But between now and then, due to people losing money, there\u2019s been an awakening. They\u2019re realising \u201cwell, this is actually bullshit\u201d. They\u2019re seeing the cracks in the paint.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve been getting a fair bit of support. Even from crypto people, which is kind of hilarious. That\u2019s the interesting thing \u2014 a year ago, it would have been \u201cthis Is FUD [a term popular in the crypto community used to degenerate bad news as \u2018fear, uncertainty, doubt\u2019], you\u2019re salty\u201d. But now when I say it\u2019s a Ponzi scheme, the response is, \u201cSo what, the world\u2019s a pyramid scheme!\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>What delusion are you living in? That the whole world is a pyramid scheme so my pyramid scheme is OK? And they\u2019re so self-aware.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>C: OK, time to talk about Elon Musk. Have you been paying attention to his Twitter takeover?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>JP: Ah, it\u2019s funny, I have an interesting past with Elon. The first time I messaged him on Twitter years ago, I had written a bot, a script that would automatically detect if there was a cryptocurrency scam in your Twitter mentions and would automatically report them to the platform. I worked with [Twitter co-founder and former CEO] Jack and his product management team so that when these reports were submitted they\u2019d get them instantly.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I gave it to other crypto influencers. Elon reached out to me to get a hold of that script and it became apparent very quickly that he didn\u2019t understand coding as well as he made out. He asked, \u201cHow do I run this Python script?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>After I gave him the script, I wasn\u2019t a fan of him. He\u2019s a grifter, he sells a vision in hopes that he can one day deliver what he\u2019s promising, but he doesn\u2019t know that. He\u2019s just really good at pretending he knows. That\u2019s very evident with the Tesla full-self-driving promise.<\/p>\n<p>About a year ago when Musk was saying something about crypto, I said Elon Musk was and always will be a grifter but the world loves grifters. They love the idea that they may also be a billionaire one day, and that\u2019s the dream he\u2019s selling. When he talks to other users on Twitter, they\u2019re like, \u201cWow, Elon is talking to me! Maybe I can be a friend of his, or even become a billionaire myself.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My opinion on him and all billionaires is that I don\u2019t care much for them. The second I heard he was going to make a bid, I thought that he intended to destroy Twitter. I think if you look at what\u2019s happening, that\u2019s what\u2019s happening. He was sowing a huge amount of discord and distrust on the platform, and there are huge amounts of churn and attrition from staff. Like with the [right wing media organisation] Project Veritas, they were trying to match with Twitter employees on Tinder and secretly film them, and Elon is promoting that.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Do you really think the guy wants to buy Twitter? If so, why is he engaging in this? His play is to either dismantle all trust, or maybe he\u2019s delusional enough to think he can build an alternative. The other alternative is that he wants to drive it into the ground at a much lower price, and I think that\u2019s what he\u2019s doing.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Elon Musk\u2019s latest thing is that I\u2019m going to vote Republican because the Democrats were mean to him. It\u2019s such a thinly veiled excuse. You could have said both parties suck, a lot of people do that, or that you won\u2019t vote or will vote independent. It\u2019s so strange. I think the good news is that a large number of people do see through his shit, including a lot of people who have the rug pulled over their eyes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>C: What\u2019s the solution to grifting?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>JP: It\u2019s important to have hope, otherwise things get hopeless. I think that will come good. I always like to look at the younger people like Gen Z and some of the TikTok generation. They\u2019re not as sucked in easily as people being sucked into these grifts.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I used to run a cryptocurrency YouTube channel. The demographics of the audience were a lot of males over the age of 30, hopeless millennials approaching a midlife crisis. That\u2019s just my roundabout way of saying that the combination of being online natives and growing up around grifts means they\u2019ve got a better radar than our generation does.\u00a0<\/p>\n<aside class=\"related-story\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.crikey.com.au\/2022\/02\/08\/cryptocurrency-made-my-own-cammycoin\/\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.crikey.com.au\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/CryptoCam_740x400_2.png?w=475&amp;h=257&amp;crop=1\" \/><\/a><\/aside>\n<p>I think this does have to be solved at a political level. Neither party is going to solve it as it stands today, but there are new progressive candidates who could help in the future. That\u2019s my long play. I think there\u2019s going to need to be a crash. I think we\u2019re well overdue for some sort of pop, and I don\u2019t think it\u2019s going to be a big boom. It\u2019s going to be a lot more painful, and unfortunately it will probably impact minorities and those lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum when it happens. So when people who have been suckered in, people who\u2019ve been sold on the [viral cryptocurrency promoting] Matt Damon commercial and who put their [retirement fund] 401k in, and those are unfortunately the people who are going to be hurt.<\/p>\n<p><strong>C: You told me you follow Australian politics on a secret Twitter account. Have you been paying attention to the election?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Loosely. I know some things about it. As someone who leans left it\u2019s not hard to guess where my vote would go, but I\u2019m not on the electoral roll anymore.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My biggest worry is political grifters like the man who I unfortunately share a surname with [billionaire Clive Palmer who spent nearly $100 million promoting his minor right-wing populist party] and people who are affiliated with Pauline Hanson\u2019s party. Those are the people who scare me. 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